Posts by refiners fire

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You Know a Spiritual Coward

by AlanF in

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here is another unequivocal example of a claim of direct inspiration: in the olin moyle court case of 1943, fred franz said under oath that no man is the editor of the watchtower.

who, then, is the editor?

who became the editor?

refiners fire

here is a relevant quote from the "Finished Mystery" (1917)
Speaking about Russell on page 381:

..."He was eager to learn all he could about the heavenly Fathers will. It was not of himself that he learned and taught the divine plan, but God Himself caused him to learn, believe and teach"...

By the way, dont forget that the Apostles, if they did hold false understandings, are nowhere stated to have spread those false understandings, and held them before they were spititually annointed at Pentecost.

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Antichrist: The archangel Michael

by illuminati in

a long time ago, the watchtower used to teach that the archangel michael is the antichrist.

does anyone here know in which watchtower edition they printed this information before changing michael to jesus christ?.

thanx a mil!.

refiners fire

My friend.
This has a ring to it, but its a LONG time ago.
I know for sure that the "Finished Mystery" book(1917) says that the rider on the white horse that leads the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse is Satan.
This contradicts directly, their current understanding that the White horse rider is Jesus.
Yep.
It sounds like Finished mystery to me.Id have to go back thru the book to be sure.

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You Know a Spiritual Coward

by AlanF in

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here is another unequivocal example of a claim of direct inspiration: in the olin moyle court case of 1943, fred franz said under oath that no man is the editor of the watchtower.

who, then, is the editor?

who became the editor?

refiners fire

Yeah, Alan.
But it wasnt the CHANNEL that said the first quote.
It was that poor gumbo scapegoat MacMillan.

The one with Freddie, well he only said that cause he was in a WORLDLY court.
Its okay to lie when your dealing with Babylon.

Thought I would say this before You Know did.

78

To Danni: ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS

by You Know in

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q 1: where does the bible say god's name is jehovah?

in all probability, the bible that you have does not have the name jehovah in it, anywhere.

we too have a fraternity, a brotherhood, gods family is what we are, and if anyone dishonors the congregation by conduct unbecoming a minister of god, shunning, or disfellowshipping as we call it, is gods means to deal with such ones.. q 7: how can a person isolate themselves if you chose to knock on peoples doors outside your religion?

refiners fire

Dannii, your instincts are leading you in the right direction.
Just look at this thread,a bottomless pit of dispute,is that what you want for your life.
It would have been better for every person on this board that they had never heard of Jehovah of the Watchtower, of the "Organization" as we so lovingly refer to it.
But we have heard of it. Were in it.
And having been in, can never forget or let go.
You cannot erase memory. If I could, believe me I would, and impregnate a better, happier, life memory from someone else.
Walk away, you dont need this bullshit in your life.We are only here because we are trapped in a mental prison there is no escape from.
Many of the things Alan F said, I agree with.
I recall as a teenager of 14 the boy next door wanted to be my friend. My parents insisted I could not hang out with him unless I was PREACHING to him. So every time we played I had a little spiel and a scripture which I would read to him (he agreed to this condition of friendship)and so I could be justified in playing with him.
True story dannii. The result of the Witness view of association for me as a kid was, I had not a single friend in high school and was a "weird" social, outcast, a phantom among my peers.
Dannii. I implore you, walk away from this bizarre phantom world. Leave us ghosts, us empty people behind.
Dont put any more of this in your head, it will STICK.
You said it before:
"I think Im going to learn things I dont want to know"
Thats right.
Every person in this site ishere for one reason only.
THEY ARE DAMAGED GOODS.
Including the man you are involved with. Get rid of him too.
That is my strongest recommendation to you.
Goodbye.

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For You Know (and the rest)

by effe in

in the thread "is the wts a valse prophet" the following was said:.

quote:.

please continue posting because you are acheiving an opposite affect to which you desire, the more sain jw's read this thread, the more it will confirm their doubts.. yk: i don't believe that for one minute.. and quite rightly you don't yk.

refiners fire

Anybody can be a presdiential candidate if they pump in enough money to back it up.
How many people voted for him? About 1500, all members of his cult.
The cult status of his cult is starkly confirmed in the stories of ex members who have been mentally manipulated in group confession sessions.

5

For You Know (and the rest)

by effe in

in the thread "is the wts a valse prophet" the following was said:.

quote:.

please continue posting because you are acheiving an opposite affect to which you desire, the more sain jw's read this thread, the more it will confirm their doubts.. yk: i don't believe that for one minute.. and quite rightly you don't yk.

refiners fire

What I want to know is how YouKnow rationalizes serving two masters.
Yahweh of the Watchtower and the prophet of the "New Bretton Woods"
Lyndon H Larouche.

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To Danni: ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS

by You Know in

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q 1: where does the bible say god's name is jehovah?

in all probability, the bible that you have does not have the name jehovah in it, anywhere.

we too have a fraternity, a brotherhood, gods family is what we are, and if anyone dishonors the congregation by conduct unbecoming a minister of god, shunning, or disfellowshipping as we call it, is gods means to deal with such ones.. q 7: how can a person isolate themselves if you chose to knock on peoples doors outside your religion?

refiners fire

Hey You Know.
Yahweh is just a jumped up little Elohim whose gotten too big for his booties.He likes to suck energy for breakfast lunch and tea. He doesnt even initiate clever energy generation, going instead for the simple forms. Boredom and Fear.These are real easy to manifest.
The supreme creator Gods are getting real tired of him (small h)they told me so in their last transmission to me.
Theyre coming to put him back in his little sub commander position real soon.

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STUPID-ASS WT QUOTES thread

by TR in

"jehovahs organization.... should influence our every decision.".

"....idolatrous worshipers of a man made organization..." wt 12/1/1971 p.723.

more dumb-ass quotes to come!.

refiners fire

Simply cant allow this thread to end without at least a couple of quotes from that book that "Drove the clergy of Christendom" into mad hatred.
The 'FINISHED MYSTERY' 1917.

page 64:
"The seven messengers to the Church..St Paul, St John, Arius, Waldo, Wycliffe, Luther, Russell"..

Ahhh.page 84.
Heres an interpretation of Job 40 v 15, 16, onward:
..."Behold now one with great heat (the stationary steam engine)
which I have made to be with thee,he will consume fodder (peat, wood, coal)...behold now his strength is in his loins (boiler plates)...
his tail (smoke stack opposite the feeding end)will set upright like a cedar"...
enough of that, I think.

page 103:
..."Exodus 28v1 indicates but 1 priest to every 2860 levites,which would make the number of the great company approximately 411,840,000"...
Guess theyd better preach a while longer if thats how many people are needed for the Great Crowd.

page 138:
..."As the number of the bride of Christ is to be 144,000 it would be reasonable to think that each number of this class would may have 144,000 to look after. 144000x144000 equals 20,736,000,000...evidently just the right number to be cared for"....

Yeah. I can sure understand why all those Catholic priests were driven to such a "White heat of Hate" over THIS book.

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qualified for adjudicatorhoodship

by refiners fire in

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bretheren, do not appoint over yourselves any lurker, one using multiple identities and seeking opportunity to rend the flesh of the sheep.

nor a person newly converted to the board, lest that one become overfull with pridefullness and become hitlerian in personality.. rather, choose from among yourselves such ones as are well versed in the doctrines of apostacy.learned ones.

select not those given to posting cruelties.

refiners fire

Bretheren, do not appoint over yourselves any lurker, one using multiple identities and seeking opportunity to rend the flesh of the sheep. Nor a person newly converted to the board, lest that one become overfull with pridefullness and become Hitlerian in personality.
Rather, choose from among yourselves such ones as are well versed in the doctrines of Apostacy.Learned ones.
Select not those given to posting cruelties. Nor callous and unfeeling ones unmindfull of the damage they cause others.
Beware my Sisters and brothers, lest any faction come to dominate the leadership of the congregation and use its power to beat and persecute the sheep.
Let those chosen be Mild in temper, reasonable, compassionate, beloved of all the congregation.
Keep on considering these things my bretheren.
My love unto you all.

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Did you believe in 1975?

by Masterji in

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did you believe that 1975 would see the beginning of the millennium?.

if not, why not?.

m

refiners fire

Course I believed it.
And acted in accordance with my faith.
geez...Adams been alone a long time. 26 years and still counting.
Little wonder then, he said:
"This is ..AT LAST...flesh of my flesh".

Anybody know if you can count back thru the lines of Adams sons and establish how old Adam was when Seth was born?